tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2482732367812174734.post5006984621563747292..comments2024-02-28T08:42:52.675+00:00Comments on The Junior Doctor: Who is a doctor?Dr Michael Andersonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05340927185641717290noreply@blogger.comBlogger33125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2482732367812174734.post-18194150156291862392017-11-21T08:04:30.847+00:002017-11-21T08:04:30.847+00:00Doctors are important part of our lives. Owning an...Doctors are important part of our lives. Owning an app- Concierge Doctor 24*7, dedicated to doctors and patients, I can realize the importance doctors have in a patient's life.Concierge Doctorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10834999054037899044noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2482732367812174734.post-3216445606262098122017-02-10T13:23:24.339+00:002017-02-10T13:23:24.339+00:00Doctor is the most important person for a sick per...Doctor is the most important person for a sick person. <a href="http://www.bestmeetandgreetgatwick.co.uk/meet-and-greet.php" rel="nofollow">gatwick meet and greet</a><br /><a href="http://www.bestmeetandgreetgatwick.co.uk/meet-and-greet.php" rel="nofollow">meet & greet gatwick</a>Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09163424743915082139noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2482732367812174734.post-41485435225924806972016-11-28T11:03:08.094+00:002016-11-28T11:03:08.094+00:00The reason dentists can call themselves Doctor is ...The reason dentists can call themselves Doctor is because they are regulated by the General Dental Council (since the 1960s) in the same way that medical doctors are regulated by the General Medical Council. This is the legal requirement that allows you to call yourself a Medical Practitioner ie medicine with a large M and not a medical practitioner with a small m.<br />I looked into this re physiotherapy and unless we have a General Physiotherapy Council as a regulatory body, then we cannot call ourselves doctor despite any PhDs or extensive undergrad and post grad education etc etc.<br />This came up as we are NOT considered to be sufficiently "medical" to carry out acupuncture outside of the NHS or GP surgery for local authorities to lump us together with tattooists and ear piercers for licensing purposes! Physiotherapy is the 4th largest medical profession after doctors, nurse and midwives, and we have Consultant Physiotherapists.... and you think you have problems!!!!!Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09781683098488710573noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2482732367812174734.post-59397330385808254432016-04-26T18:17:36.538+00:002016-04-26T18:17:36.538+00:00Dr Anderson, to pursue your argument to its logica...Dr Anderson, to pursue your argument to its logical conclusion, I presume you call yourself Mr Anderson when you are outside the medical environment.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2482732367812174734.post-77965378174205816202016-04-16T14:19:59.713+00:002016-04-16T14:19:59.713+00:00Physicians exerted hegemonic control over the gene...Physicians exerted hegemonic control over the general populace by virtue of state recognition of occupational privilege. Physicians use the title doctor as a courtesy. The general public have fallen for the availability heuristic of constant repetition and now understand the term doctor to mean physician when it actually means teacher. Any confusion is the doing of physicians and the collaboration of their patients.<br /><br />A true doctor has spent years doing original research, making a unique contribution to advance human knowledge and has defended his/her thesis before a panel of experts. Physicians have spent several years at OJT which is nevertheless useful and they make a useful contribution to the human condition however, they should stop getting so far up themselves and introduce themselves by saying I'm a physician NOT I'm a Doctor. That would redress the issue. Anyone with a terminal degree is entitled to the title of doctor irrespective of their occupational title.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2482732367812174734.post-69142007105249850322016-02-17T22:22:17.226+00:002016-02-17T22:22:17.226+00:00As a Doctor in Engineering i get annoyed at junior...As a Doctor in Engineering i get annoyed at junior Doctors with just an undergraduate medical degree calling themselves Doctor as their experience within their profession is far below what is accredited to the title of Doctor. I feel that the title should only be used by medical professionals with higher degrees or qualifications or those with several additional years practice under their belt !Presidenthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00932094241320345935noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2482732367812174734.post-43934666354898716522015-11-26T10:10:50.092+00:002015-11-26T10:10:50.092+00:00Great post like it very much! Thank you for sharin...Great post like it very much! Thank you for sharing valuable and informative post. Keep up the good work.<br /><b><a href="http://www.vspdental.com/our-team/meet-the-doctor/" rel="nofollow">Doctors in Danville VA</a></b>Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07955928397519798630noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2482732367812174734.post-5859320371477187722015-01-22T06:35:41.757+00:002015-01-22T06:35:41.757+00:00Doctor doctor I need your help please come.<a href="http://www.querease.com" rel="nofollow">Doctor</a> doctor I need your help please come.online doctorhttp://www.querease.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2482732367812174734.post-79133594798441932662013-09-29T05:52:26.486+00:002013-09-29T05:52:26.486+00:00In the US (and most of the rest of the world), MD ... In the US (and most of the rest of the world), MD is a postgraduate qualification and given that the recipient has done an undergraduate bachelor's or master's degree first, takes a darn sight longer than the double ordinary undergrad degree done in the UK. The average holder of a Ph.D. in the UK will have spent at least 6, but more likely 7 or 8 years completing their studies (took me 7 - 4 years B.Sc. and 3 years Ph.D.). Putting these facts together, I can't help regarding the MB ChB "doctors" as fakes. As others have pointed out, the title 'doctor' means teacher, rather than physician (Latin docere). It only took on the meaning of medical practitioner in the 18th century: and not long after, started to be used in the context of 'to falsify'. Is there a connection?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2482732367812174734.post-6017158835881075512013-03-10T15:43:00.161+00:002013-03-10T15:43:00.161+00:00The reason "doctor" is not a protected t...The reason "doctor" is not a protected title like "nurse", "pharmacist" or "dentist" is because it's not a title with an specific meaning; graduating with a medical degree does not make you a doctor but a PHYSICIAN. The term doctor is a courtesy title given to PHYSICIANS a few hundred years ago by medical schools who wanted their graduates to have a special status. Is it not rank hyposcrisy for the author to complain about said "misuse" of the title when those responsible for his profession did the same thing in the past? Or maybe the medical profession need to have a couple of letters to make them feel more important than us mere plebs...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2482732367812174734.post-56681719591871189102013-02-19T22:39:34.791+00:002013-02-19T22:39:34.791+00:00Its a bit ironic for a physician to be complaining...Its a bit ironic for a physician to be complaining about it when most of them haven't earned it either, rather 'Dr' is only a courtesy title that their profession adopted years ago to give themselves some status. Medical school is a 5 year undergrad course in the UK, it doesn't finish with an MD degree but a double bachelors.<br /> You can't really complain if other professions such as dentistry then start to do the same thing that your profession has done over time. The only people with real grounds for complaint are people who hold actual doctorates - they are technically the real 'doctors'.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2482732367812174734.post-80082014560914282172013-02-18T05:05:39.043+00:002013-02-18T05:05:39.043+00:00@laurentius Actully, from the get go the term doct...@laurentius Actully, from the get go the term doctor was associated with medicine, law and theology education. Physicians were always allowed to use the title doctor because their job is to treat patients and TEACH them about maintaining their health. So physicians are using the title doctor even before there was a thing called phd. Plus outside of a very narrow subject matter, phd as no relevancy. A person with a phd in perticle physics can not rightfully.use the title doctor during a lecture on thermal physics because his phd has nothing to do with the current discussion. Their msc degree is the relevant one in that instance. On the other hand a mbbs degree is relevant everywhere, from a church to a brothel. That's the resion why a physician can use the title doctor everywhere but a phd and a dentist should not use the title doctor outside their specific department.spac18https://www.blogger.com/profile/07175289481880084699noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2482732367812174734.post-87498138501673739532012-03-19T10:30:18.347+00:002012-03-19T10:30:18.347+00:00In my opinion, unless you have a doctoral degree i...In my opinion, unless you have a doctoral degree in any subject you have no right to call yourself doctor.<br /><br />You may call yourself a phsyician and realise that is a noble calling, but to call yourself doctor if you understand anything about the meaning of the word and where it comes from is just fraud.<br /> <br />A doctor (from latin docere, to teach) is one who is qualified to teach at a higher academic level, it is about time that the medical profession stopped this rather bizarre notion that there field of knowlege trumped all others. <br /><br />Theirs's is only an honorary title, and by that token there is no reason why they should be so jealous if Dentists want to ape that honorific.Laurentiusnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2482732367812174734.post-67544807369220880642011-03-18T17:11:51.426+00:002011-03-18T17:11:51.426+00:00Hmm...interesting debate.
I hope you guys know t...Hmm...interesting debate. <br /><br />I hope you guys know that the word "Doctor" comes from Latin meaning "a teacher".<br /><br />Just be aware that, strictly speaking, people who earned a PhD degree are the proper "doctors", and medical doctors are honourary doctors. It's only through time (hundreds of years) that the word doctor has slowly changed to mean a medical doctor.<br /><br />I do know the confusion it can cause - I know of someone who as a medical student did use "Dr." on the accommodation form (but never used it on the ward). The administrator came back and declared that no medical student should have a title Dr, on the form! Now there are PLENTY of graduate students who have PhDs, so it was good that administrator was educated in the finer points in life. Silly cow (she still works at Lincoln Hospital!).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2482732367812174734.post-18299934061269504772011-03-08T06:23:02.742+00:002011-03-08T06:23:02.742+00:00I like your point, Dr. Anderson. I think it takes ...I like your point, Dr. Anderson. I think it takes a lot before anyone in the industry can call himself a "doctor". A dentist who performs complicated procedures like implants and other dental care are still dentists. It still depends on their forte. I prefer calling my <i>teeth doctor</i> in Chattanooga a "dentist". It's easier.Charley Burrighthttp://chattanoogaperio.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2482732367812174734.post-72069961760398604832010-02-17T20:23:34.688+00:002010-02-17T20:23:34.688+00:00I did medicine as a second degree and many of my c...I did medicine as a second degree and many of my colleagues starting the course had PhDs, but weren't allowed to use the title "Dr" in the hospital or on their ID badges as it would be confusing. On the other hand the Tissue Viability nurse at the same hospital has a PhD in pressure ulcer management and so uses the title "Dr" in the hospital. Not sure which side of the argument I'm on but these are just points of info.Almost a Doctornoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2482732367812174734.post-86988946644635065772009-12-21T13:31:28.220+00:002009-12-21T13:31:28.220+00:00It's basically a crock of balls to call yourse...It's basically a crock of balls to call yourself "Dr" int he hospital setting when you're not a medical doctor. Same with "consultant". Even the pharmacists are starting to call their juniors "pharmacy interns".<br />If people weren't trying to massage their own egos, it would be so so easy to pick simpler names for everyone to avoid confusion.<br /><br />I'm sorry, but a nurse with a PhD has no place in caling herself "Dr" in the hospital environment. We can debate the minutiae all we like, but we all know it will confuse patients.<br /><br />I call myself by my first name and say "I'm the doctor looking after you today". It always seems to me in hospitals that the people who are carrying these other "consultant" and "Dr" tags are just insecure, and know what clinical staff really think of them. So, they try and get kudos from the patients instead.<br /><br />I know the above seems harsh. BUt it's not about titles. It's about so many plonkers doing jobs with so many stupid titles in them nowadays, just for the ego erection.<br /><br />What's wrong with "I'm your doctor", "I'm your nurse". Only real time I can see a reason to stray outside that is "I'm the consultant" as patients do like to know they're seeing a consultant. Do they care if you're an emergency nurse practitioner/consultant dietician/pharmacy intern? They do in their balls.<br /><br />Kind regards,<br /><br />Dr. Thunder<br />www.twoweeksonatrolley.blogspot.comAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2482732367812174734.post-7636429348291985732009-12-20T17:02:26.186+00:002009-12-20T17:02:26.186+00:00I studied medicine as a graduate student. Several ...I studied medicine as a graduate student. Several of the other students in my year had PhDs. If they were seeing a patient on a ward, they could introduce themselves as 'Dr so-and-so'. <br /><br />No-one (to the best of my knowledge) did, and we all agreed that it would be grossly unprofessional to do so. Does anyone think that they should have done differently?Michaelnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2482732367812174734.post-33340735200996374952009-12-20T10:26:06.434+00:002009-12-20T10:26:06.434+00:00You two, as much I enjoy having a discussion and d...You two, as much I enjoy having a discussion and debate, it seems that you are both totally missing the point of what I'm trying to say. I've never said I think that nobody else should use the title "Dr." <br /><br />Let me say it again so it's clear. Non-doctors calling themselves "doctor" in a clinical setting causes confusion, so medical doctors should have a separate title to avoid this. <br /><br />I've said this quite clearly<br /><br />"The solution, I think is to use a system like the do in the USA whereby medical doctors have the suffix MD after their names. "<br /><br />"Personally, I'd be quite happy to be known as "Michael Anderson MD" <i>(that is, to drop the Dr title altogther)</i> if it was well understood that MD means "medical doctor." I think the American way is better."Dr Michael Andersonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05340927185641717290noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2482732367812174734.post-59886410723615191652009-12-20T06:24:18.409+00:002009-12-20T06:24:18.409+00:00I call my dentist 'Doctor', I can't se...I call my dentist 'Doctor', I can't see the problem with it.<br /><br />I never understand why medical doctors get so arsey about other people holding the title 'doctor'. Yes, if it's some shyster/quack then fair enough. But what's the big deal about a dentist? And if they've got a doctorate they've got more right to the title than you have.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2482732367812174734.post-29841282706458736922009-12-20T01:43:26.376+00:002009-12-20T01:43:26.376+00:00Bored Urology SHO - Murse?? No such word, neologis...Bored Urology SHO - Murse?? No such word, neologisms are sometimes a sign of mental illness, I know a good CPN if you are interested.<br /><br />"Do you not introduce yourself to patients as a nurse?"<br />Yes, I introduce myself by my first name and say I am an Emergency NURSE Practitioner.<br /><br />"Now the question I'd like to ask you GrumpyRN is: if you had a PhD and are working as a nurse, would you introduce yourself to your patients as "Dr Grumpy?""<br />Yes, if that was the title I was entitled to use AND if it was in context.<br /><br />"As I mentioned, the term "RN" is legally protected, but the term "Dr" is not."<br />You will be jailed if you pretend to be a medical doctor when you do not have the qualifications to support it, so in practice the title is protected. Plus why would you protect a title for medics when it belongs to PhD's?GrumpyRNhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06774717062401988853noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2482732367812174734.post-3050219787587371132009-12-18T18:05:58.670+00:002009-12-18T18:05:58.670+00:00I'm always amused by this one...
I am one of...I'm always amused by this one... <br /><br />I am one of those PhD types so I NEVER EVER call myself "Dr" in setting where I could be plausibly mistaken for a medical person. The exception, I guess, is in the blogosphere, but I picked "Dr Aust" as an alias in about two minutes five yrs ago and I can't be bothered changing it. I have a prominent disclaimer on my website:<br /> <br />"I am NOT a medical doctor! I'm a PhD!"<br /><br />- and on Twitter I am now "Dr Aust PhD" precisely to clarify things. <br /><br />Anyway, my point was that PhDs in the UK almost never call themselves "Dr" Strangelove (or whatever) in non-academic settings, since it makes people think, erroneously, that they are medics. For better or for worse, "Dr" in the UK means, in common usage, medical doctor, and that is how almost all the public see it. <br /><br />So I'm with Michael on this one. It is deeply and unnecessarily confusing for Dentists, Psychologists, embryologists, Nurses w PhDs etc in the NHS to call themselves "Dr". <br /><br />I know other countries have different solutions to the problem - indeed, Mrs Dr Aust, who IS a medic, found it deeply disconcerting to be called "Dr" when she arrived in the UK rather than "Artzt" (physician). But unless we can find a different amd better systems - like changing all UK medical degrees to "MD" - AND get everyone to sign up to it, we are stuck with what we have.Dr Aust - that's PhD, NOT MD, MBChB etchttp://draust.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2482732367812174734.post-76730548843778816172009-12-18T02:27:36.267+00:002009-12-18T02:27:36.267+00:00surely in the case of GrumpyRN it should be Murse ...surely in the case of GrumpyRN it should be Murse anywaybored urology shonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2482732367812174734.post-46287039296127186592009-12-17T13:54:12.674+00:002009-12-17T13:54:12.674+00:00No, you didn't. You spent 5 years training to ...<i>No, you didn't. You spent 5 years training to BE a doctor.</i><br /><br />I'm not sure what you mean by this, are you saying I can BE a doctor but shouldn't CALL myself "doctor?" I don't understand.<br /><br />Anyway, pedantry aside, regarding your main point:<br /><br /><i>I don't go around calling myself Nurse Grumpy</i><br /><br />But you do (or at least I hope you do). Do you not introduce yourself to patients as a nurse? Something like, "Hello I'm Grumpy, I'm the nurse who'll be looking after you." I hope you do. <br /><br />Now the question I'd like to ask you GrumpyRN is: if you had a PhD and are working as a nurse, would you introduce yourself to your patients as "Dr Grumpy?" <br /><br />If so (as is your right), then do you not agree we need some other way of distinguishing medical and non-medical "doctors"? <br /><br /><i>it is only medical doctors who worry about this</i><br /><br />Well, that's because this issue only really affects medical doctors.<br /><br />As I mentioned, <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nursing_in_the_United_Kingdom#Regulation" rel="nofollow">the term "RN" is legally protected,</a> but the term "Dr" is not.<br /><br />Personally, I'd be quite happy to be known as "Michael Anderson MD" if it was well understood that MD means "medical doctor." I think the American way is better.Dr Michael Andersonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05340927185641717290noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2482732367812174734.post-87303103412044610732009-12-17T11:09:46.885+00:002009-12-17T11:09:46.885+00:00"I spent five years at doctor school to earn ..."I spent five years at doctor school to earn the right to call myself “doctor”"<br />No, you didn't. You spent 5 years training to BE a doctor.<br /><br />"All I’m asking for is something similar to apply to medical doctors, much like the “RN” part of GrumpyRN. Am I being ridiculous?"<br />Well.... to a certain extent, it is only medical doctors who worry about this. <br />I don't go around calling myself Nurse Grumpy, (yes I know about the dinosaurs who call(ed) themself nurse ***** - but they should have retired or died out by now) if I use a title it is Mr., although I still think people mean my dad when they call me that.<br />I take your point about patients being seen in clinics etc. but if you are seeing the right person does it matter?<br /><br />In passing, I would prefer to call my dentist Mr. because he is a dental surgeon.GrumpyRNhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06774717062401988853noreply@blogger.com